spetum to also as well in terms of going to the ceremony which i'm sure will be spectacular two hundred dollars that you back for and if we compare it to vancouver as well the games that were criticized as being expensive the probably the biggest gain everyone's looking forward to is going to be the finals the ice ok so apparently that's going to set you back beginning at two hundred eight dollars for a ticket that's thirty percent cheaper than. that's very good news. right but i mean if we're trying to control the money here let's also talk about the weather because that was a big issue in vancouver can we control about or at least and to speak what's going to happen if it's not what we're expecting well i mean you just saw in the faces does that looks rather funny involved at the moment actually degrees i think it's doing is tiny bit of a can some but by all accounts it's a lot colder up in the mountains of course where the majority of the games will take place but it's weather you know we can't say here into a lot what's going to happen here. i do know there's a plan b. in action and that involves snow machine plan b.

sounds like money more money you know sports well i do. for example always proud of the definitely not into spending billions of dollars on it that's for sure thank you very much kitty pilgrim here with us and to move it on and a widely anticipated move the set of the european central bank i should say on thursday left the interest rates unchanged they are at a record low of zero point seven five percent on the one hand the recent data shows that europe is on its way to economic recovery which is of course easing the need for more rate cuts but on the other hand the rise in euro hurts european exports that makes the region's economy a less competitive so for the c.b.s. been resisting the pressure to bring down the value of the euro earlier on thursday i asked stephen jacobson chief economist at sachs a banker in copenhagen what he thinks of the e.c.b. policies. for europe is up three and a half percent that will cost europe in growth terms point three percent of growth

in an economy which is already almost tail spinning the actual underlying economy as represented by german g.d.p. was more negative than expected the spanish one was minus point seven so i think we are back with the same picture again that you know the market is having your party but the real economy is still going from bad to worse. and it's time now to take a look at the markets to see where we stand today over in the states where the trade is still active this hour equities are actually shedding value following a pretty good couple of days there despite the fact that there are some positive stats coming in like the weekly jobless claims that came in better than expected move it on over in europe shares ended the session mixed we saw quite a correction on the footsie down more than one percent but the dax closed above the line as you can see here in moscow the equities didn't manage to withstand the

pressure from abroad both indices finished the session in the red and on the currency markets the euro fell ever so slightly against the dollar of the russian ruble close that mix to the major currencies as you're seeing right there. and that's the latest from us and business coming up next it's our interview where we talk to the former cia officer and whistle blower on torture john kerry aku that's just ahead for you after a very short break. it's. clear .

there are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives within a year of a diagnosis of. over sixty two percent. i diagnosed with a specific problem that frankly is substantially preventable it was like the big elephant in the room and nobody wanted to talk about it there were really good public health campaigns if people were really focused on this problem you certainly should be able have a lot less h i feel a lot less human suffering. live

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a former cia official who blew the whistle on the agency's torture practices after nine eleven john kiriakou served as the chief of counterterrorist operations in pakistan mistaken are always were portably praise at the agency for his role in the capture of abu zubaydah who back in two thousand and two was thought to be third in command and now years later john kerry is heading to president it was just sentenced to. two and a half years in jail mr getting out with thank you so much for coming thanks for having me i really appreciate it i know that time is of much value to you and your family now before you. find yourself behind bars. you were convicted of revealing the identity of an agent or freelance reporter who by the way never even published it you said you were greenwich sharing the name of the agent of the officer your policy for it but you also said it was not why the government went after you why do you think the government went after you i've i

have never believed that my case was about a leak i have always believed that my case is about torture when i went on a.b.c. news in december two thousand and seven and i said that not only was the cia torturing prisoners but that the torture policy was an official u.s. government policy that was approved at the very top by the president of the united states himself the cia filed what's called a crimes report against me the next day with the justice department the justice department never stopped investigating me from december of two thousand and seven until i was finally arrested in january of two thousand and twelve so to say that this the disk. case is a result of a name that was found in a in an attorney's brief at guantanamo is just simply not true they were looking for something that they were going for something to pin on me what i find most

gracious about your case is had you been actually accused of torture of human rights violations you wouldn't have gone to jail know. they they would dismiss any accusation because the u.s. government has classified everything related to its torture practices but yet you go to prison because he talked about it why do you think this administration president obama who signed an executive order to stop torture at the very beginning of his first term why do you think he's protecting folks from the previous administration most people don't realize this but president obama has surrounded himself with the same intelligence advisors who advised president bush through most of the first term the cia had the same deputy director that bush had the same director of operations that bush had john brennan who is president obama's new

designee to be the cia director and until what a week ago or so was the deputy national security adviser was under president bush the director of the national counterterrorism center and up to his eyeballs in torture policy so even though we changed presidents there was really no change of intelligence advisors at least not on counterterrorism john brennan you mentioned john brennan and i want to ask you about him the future head of the cia what kind of a cia chief is he going to be in your opinion i think he's going to be somebody who will be extremely aggressive. and who will probably be comfortable. walking on the edge of the law you worked with him i did i worked with john brennan for many years and i know him pretty well mr could happen you yourself supported torture before you were against it what happened what changed your position well let me correct you on that and this is something that that i think most americans

missed in my original n.b.c. interview i was trying to draw a distinction between whether torture was right and wrong or whether it worked i believed it was wrong and i called it torture and i said that torture was official policy that's on the one side on the other side the cia had told us internally at the time that it was working what year was that that was in two thousand to two thousand and three they were telling us that it was working we now know from the inspector general's report that was released in the spring of two thousand and nine that that was a lie that the cia was lying even to those of us inside the cia and i think it was just to protect themselves and to protect the policy but it never worked did you have a personal experience related to torture where you personally involved in torture no thank god i was never a person involved in torture when i returned from pakistan in the early summer of two thousand and two where i had been chief of counterterrorism operations i was

asked by a senior officer in the cia's counterterrorist center if i wanted to be trained in in the use of these torture techniques and i said no i had a moral problem with it and i didn't want to be associated with it and there were fourteen of us at the time who were. made the offer. two of us said no and then one of us not me the other guy changed his mind so i was the only one who was made the offer who declined. because at that time you already believe that it wouldn't work i just thought i didn't know if it would work i mean they were telling us it would but i just believed it was wrong you know it at the cia part of the cia's culture is to couch all issues in shades of grey you have to be very comfortable working in morally nebulous situations or legally

nebulous situations but there are some things that really are black and white and i believe that that was a black and white issue there's something that i think you will find interesting and something that i'd like you to comment on polls by the american red cross show that the majority of americans find torture acceptable sixty percent of young people agree whereas four years ago torture was largely condemned in the us. how did this become thing in normal what happened in those four years i think that many people who told pollsters in the early or middle part of the last decade were reacting to president bush little by little president obama adopted most of president bush's counterterrorism policies and just because he happens to be nobel peace prize winner barack obama you know after most americans i brought haven't paid much attention have just bought iraq hussein obama does i think it's

a question of education or domestic execute people need to be informed that hollywood have a role to play i think hollywood had a role to play i think that zero dark thirty for example did a grave disservice to counterterrorism zero dark thirty perpetuates this grand lie that torture led to the the. the killing of osama bin laden it's just simply not true myths often become history one comedian here said movies it was about zero dark thirty about the way it's serious movies is why. americans learned their history it's true what myths what other myths do you see being perpetuated now related to the war on terror i think one of the great myths and i chuckle to myself because it always seems so ridiculous to me was president bush's statement that they hate us because we love freedom. i know al-qaeda

i have captured al qaeda fighters i've had conversations sitting across the table like i am with you with all the leaders and i can tell you from firsthand personal experience that the reason people take up arms against us is because of a lack of education yet that i understand that the united states can't educate the whole wall no we can't but we can we can help other countries develop an infrastructure so that they can educate themselves becoming more and more about your encounters with those what are their impressions that you have for the first fighter i ever caught was in one thousand year old boy from tunisia and the only reason he went to afghanistan was because he had nothing else to do he had no skills and no way of making a living and he wanted to get married so the local in mom said if you want to make some money you know what you should do you should go to afghanistan and make jihad against the americans if you do that i know somebody who will pay your family five hundred dollars and you can use that for a dowry and you can you can get

a wife. so this kid had nothing against the united states he had never even really thought about the united states so from your experience you saw no ideology very little you see ideology and some of the older fighters some of the leaders the camp commanders for example sure there's ideology there but in my short time in pakistan i captured fifty two al-qaeda fighters i can count on one hand the number of people who were real ideologues who really were there for jihad who were really there to kill americans three out of fifty two the perception of one condiment two has gone a long way since two thousand and eight when it was a burning and a highly controversial issue most recently you know the state department has shut down the office that was working to shut down the guantanamo prison is that this administration's way of saying. forget about guantanamo let's move on i think it is

i think it is again where's the outrage the american people really don't care if kuantan the most open or closed this administration it appears decided not to bother about interrogations kuantan prisoners and all that and just to bomb whoever seems suspicious was drones what do you think about this administration's no prisoners policy we find ourselves murdering people in many cases children with no evidence whatsoever that they're involved in any criminal or terrorist activity and what this does is it encourages other people to take up arms against us john brennan the architect of the drone program basically and it was last year i think when he claimed that u.s. drone strikes caused no civilian deaths in pakistan over the prior year which was an outright lie by so many accounts do you think we're going to see more transparency was regards to drones with john brennan at the helm of the cia no.

no i don't with john brennan. secrecy is the key word. unless of course you know if he chooses to leak for the benefit of the administration what did you expect when you decided to go public to come clean on on on torture at the cia i mean your wife worked at the cia and she was fired because of him and your father five and you were going to prison what future did you envision for yourself five years ago. i didn't envision prison in my future five years ago i expected there to be a national debate on whether or not we wanted to use torture as an official u.s. policy now i'm very happy proud actually that i played a role in that debate and now the limbo law of the land is that torture is illegal

i'm very proud of that i frankly didn't expect that the government would would go after me so relentlessly i stood in the snow for two hours to vote for president obama i really believed that this was a positive change i believed that he deserved that nobel peace prize or only because i expected things to change so dramatically at the beginning of his first term so no i never believed i would be going to prison under a president obama never. that's been i think my biggest disappointment but you haven't seen a dramatic change i haven't seen any change no torture he stopped torture sure but in terms of counterterrorism policy i think the obama administration is largely an extension of the bush administration. and stick it out with thank you for the interview i wish all the best thanks very much for having me.

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